The above statement was written by the band's manager in another thread. I am writing this because I am getting sick and tired of everyone asking for the album Consumation. I know everyone here is a fan and that is what has brought us here. That is fine but, time and time again everyone keeps asking about the album. As stated above the band DOES have future plans for some of the songs on that album. If you currently have the CD, fine. A bonus for you. Keep it, listen to it, enjoy it, but DO NOT offer it to anyone else. Don't even mention it. That album should be so top secret that if a bunch of poo flinging ninja monkeys broke into your home you would defend its secret location with your life! I know some of you are probably thinking," well if I share it with my friend it won't hurt." Yes it will because then she or he shares it with thier friend and so on. "but I am just trying to spread the word about Hurt" If that is the case and you want to promote the band that badly then you need to do 2 things: 1) You need to let your friends, relatives, etc listen to Vol.1 so then they can run out and purchase the current album. 2) If you really want to spread the word then you need to join the Hurt street team. Everyone says they are a fan but some of you have no problem taking the music for free when you get the chance. These guys work long and hard on the music so that everyone can enjoy it and hopefully make enough money to have a decent living in the process. Since I joined HurtBand.com I have had the honor of watching the site grow and meeting new and interesting people. Some of you I can even call friend. It saddens me when I see the same people who have joined this site, talked about thier great expierence that made them join, cheered because they actually got to meet the band, befriends everyone here, and then when the chance is given turns thier back on everyone just to get thier hands on something that had no business being released to the public. I understand everyone wants to collect everything Hurt but this one thing everyone needs to turn thier back to. Again the band has been working long and hard on some of these songs for an eventual release. If everyone keeps buying or downloading Consumation then all thier hard work will be for nothing. I hope everyone understands what I just wrote and why I wrote this.

Im with yah Brutal People usually make the case that pirating/sharing music is ok cause its not hurting anyone. Considering Hurt is so cool about befriending and meeting their fans, its like telling J after a show, "hey, I just took the shirt off your back. sucker." And we all love the band too much to do that!

I tried logging in several times but for whatever reason it wouldn't let me. No biggie.

I agree completely with Brutal and with Neal who posted in the other thread concerning "The Consumation"

YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTING HURT by downloading any of their music illegally. This is a disgrace to HURT!

I agree completely with Brutal when he posted "If you currently have the CD, fine. A bonus for you. Keep it, listen to it, enjoy it, but DO NOT offer it to anyone else."

How hard is that to do??? Things that are told to you or given to you, in confidence from any of the band members or anyone directly involved with the band should ALWAYS remain in confidence. People lose trust in others due to this kind of BS.

You love HURT and their music??? Then SUPPORT HURT COMPLETELY and HONESTLY!

Very well said Brutal and Neal!

/agreed

Pirating is bad mmmmmkay

I'm cool with the whole not downloading thing. I hate it when people consider themselves a "fan" but download albums instead of buying them (i have a housemate that does this ALL THE TIME and it pisses me off). But I have a curious question. Is it still considered piracy or just morally worng to purchase it on ebay? That's what I did, and I know the money didn't go to the band, but I still paid for the music. Are we considering this piracy also?

That aside, great to hear they have plans on re-release The Consumation. I'll definatley pick up another copy if/when it hits shelves.

Ok quick question that's related, but not related at the same time. What is the track listing?

Oh and before anyone accuses me of anything, I'd like the track listing so I know what songs are actually on the Consumation. Not so that I can illegally dload it, but just so I have some sort of knowledge about the band. And just for the record, I agree with you Brutal. You have no idea how bad I'd like to have the cd, but it's more important in the bands interest that I don't get it... So yeah

I totally understand the desire to share HURT with others. You don't want to give away your own CD, but you can't legally put a gun to their head (at least, not in The United States) to make them go buy their own copy of Volume One.

Here is what I do:

I downloaded copies of their live acoustic perfomances and radio interviews. Since I don't always want to swap earwax with people by sharing my mp3 player, I have burned CDs of these radio shows for friends and co-workers. As far as I know, this is legal since the files are available for free on the websites of those radio stations.

Here are a few links scattered around this message board in other threads:
http://hurt.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=157
http://hurt.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=29
http://hurt.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=27
http://hurt.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=417
http://hurt.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=227
http://hurt.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=105
http://hurt.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=348
http://hurt.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=475

This is what I compiled with a quick search through the whole message board.
If anyone knows of where else to legally download for free HURT's performances and interviews, feel free to contribute to this thread.
I've given away a few CDs I burned with these radio performances and already, people to whom I gave them went out and bought Volume One.

I'm not an expert on copyright laws, so if anyone knows that this is a no-no, please let me know.
Otherwise, this is a great way to expend a little effort and your own materials to promote HURT.

The safest and best legally-speaking way to share Hurt's music with others is to send them (heck, load the page up on their computer for them!!) to hurtband.com or myspace.com/Hurt and have them listen to the links Hurt has available online.

Fist of all, thank you to whoever pinned this.




Mrblonde to answer your question, in your situation along with everyone else's who bought the album during that incident, no. You guys had no idea what was going on. Consumation should of never been put on ebay but that is what happens when people get greedy and take advantage of a situation. Like I said before, for those who did get a copy that is a bonus for you. Just DO NOT recopy it for anyone. You have something that very few people have. Just treat it as that and please keep it to yourself at least till after the band redoes it. Again, if you want one of your friends, relatives, co-workers, etc to hear Hurt let them listen to Vol. 1. At least that way they will be wanting something they can go to the store and buy.

Now ok, time to express my thoughts.

First off, I love Hurt. Absolutely love 'em. I would personally pay mucho mula to own a copy of "The Consumation" and "Hurt". But the money wouldn't be going to the band because Capitol isn't selling the cd's under their label. So I understand. BUT, I do not understand how this in anyway could actually hurt... well, Hurt. If I was illegally burning copies of Vol. 1 and giving them out, then I could very well understand because I'd be robbing Capitol and Hurt of their fair share. That's completely understandable and I would never do it. But this is not Vol. 1 we're talking about.

I see the free distributing of "The Consumation" and "Hurt" as nothing more than free promotion of the band. Or at least a gift to their most sincere fans. If somebody is charging for these cd's, then that itself is wrong. They did nothing to deserve the money, and THAT would be a negative thing for Hurt. But free distribution is completely different. I am personally a die-hard fan. When I fall in love with a band (which is rare), I like to own everything I possibly can. ESPECIALLY MEDIA AND DEMOS. Now I realize that the cd's might be re-released in the future and a few songs will be featured on Vol. 2, but until those days, I simply do not understand why a self-made CD cannot be spread around and enjoyed by all.

Of course I'm wrong, I'd just like to be corrected. Hurt would not be losing any money, neither would Capitol, and it'd make their fans EXTREMELY happy.

Thoughts?

Im much like you dingo, I personally own every single piece of media that Staind have ever put out. Some of that stuff has come from band members and family members so Ive been lucky with that. Ive also paid a lot via ebay to get hold of the radio promos, dj singles and anything else I can get.

I can understand people not buying it off ebay because its not going to benefit the band or label at all. Id pay a crazy amount of money to be able to get ahold of 'Hurt', but who knows. maybe someday

A rep of their band asked not to distibute it (the manager), that's good enough for me.

Oh of course stellar, I'm gonna stop asking for it... I'd just like to get a few answers. Ya know? My own curiosity

Oh and Kevin, same thing with me and Seether. It just makes me love the band all that much more. I have their demo from south africa (only 25 were made) and a bunch of other stuff. It's just for enjoyment

I'm kind of a hypocrite though

With all the one hit wonders out there if a buddy of mine gets a new CD I'll have him burn it for me. If I like it, I of course will buy it. It gives me a chance to preview it before I drop the coin on it.

Sorry didn't mean to sound like a jackass in my previous post.

In summary I'm a tard and you shouldn't listen to me anyway.

Answers, Answers, Answers abound...

1) There were finances put into recording of "The Consumation".
2) There is the issue of publishing. Which is a value assessed to the copyrights that burning free copies flys in the face of.
3) It undermines the subsequent release of "Vol. II" which may have compositions re-worked from "The Consumation".
4) We've politely asked everyone to respect our wishes and to afford us the opportunity to unveil things at the pace that we choose to put them out.
5) "The Consumation" will again see the light of day; probably in a much better sonic context than even those that already have it.

Thanks to each of you for understanding our wishes. We appreciate your support. We look forward anxiously to seeing you all (geography permitting) as part of the Alice In Chains tour. We will be playing a full set by the way, not one of those abbreviated thirty (30) minute quickies...

Best,
Tom

One issue has been the use of this message board to distribute HURT's older material. This message board is provided by Capitol Records.

Do you like to feel USED? Neither do they. (yeah, yeah... I had to learn this the hard way)

Second, HURT is in a somewhat fragile position right now. They are growing, but they are not a household name, yet. It's not just a genre thing. I have talked with Staind fans who haven't heard of HURT, even though they have toured together. First impressions are important. Public exposure has to be carefully nurtured, else they could fizzle out into obscurity. The older material is not up to the sound quality of Volume One. This can give people a wrong first impression.

And finally, some of the earlier material may yet to be remade for future albums. Would George Lucas want people seeing the rough drafts of Star Wars before the movie came out? Would Stephen King like it if an early manuscript of a novel was distributed before it was published? HURT is looking back at the old stuff and deciding what could be done much Better and what should be Lost.

I really feel your side on this. I'd like to be doing some street-team stuff, but the street-team organizers aren't focused on rural areas. Just yesterday, I heard a HURT song on the radio for the first time and the DJ was asking listeners to call in and let them know what we think about "Falls Apart." I was driving and didn't have a phone. I just about went nuts!!! I'm in the lead singer's home town and there just hasn't been much coverage out here.

That's good enough for me. Thanks Tom

Oh, and hell yeah! I was hoping for a full set!



I think I probably worded what I was thinking wrong. I didn't mean "free-distribution" as in you go to BestBuy and grab a copy. I also didn't mean to start production up once again. I simply meant that it would be nice if it'd be ok for the people who do currently own it, to be able to burn it and share it with those who really love HURT. Only those who are "worthy" lol. But of course, it'd be at their own discretion to burn or share, etc. But oh well, that theory is flawed in more ways then one. Just wishful thinking on my part

GREAT NEWS ON THE FULL SET!!!YES!!!!!!

definitely, this show should be awesome!!! cant wait! only 3.3 more months

Is the album Consumation available anywhere to buy? Amazon or anything?

Nope, but no worries. Various consumation tracks appear on Vol 1 and presumably Vol 2 as Hurt has been playing some at concerts

I remember they had House Of Cards on myspace, but I didn't catch that one back then. I thought maybe they sold this cd somewhere.

nope, that was a limited print before J's Capital record days

ooh, good to know. I guess I'll just have to wait for Vol. 2 then.

Of course, the controversy exists because Consummation is so good. I've got an official copy (and yes, I paid for it), and I keep it next to my zeppelin. Perhaps this will only add to the controversy, but the quality of those songs, and the raw emotion wrapped up in them, are a remarkable expression of truth.

And if the truth adds to the controversy, then so be it.

the songs are awesome and the emotion is dead on but.........the production quality (not tryin to be too harsh on that. very limited budget) and some of the musicianship (not meaning J. Loren) is.......not so much.

!

I saw the AIC set in VEGAS..ROCKED!!!!


And I think they sounded good but yes it was raw.. but I kind of liked it that way as well.

Notsomuch, hugh? Care to be more specific?

How about I be specific. Listen carefully to the percussion. It's not a great recording of it (but then, when is percussion recorded great; isn't that why we go to live concerts?). While maintaing a driving edge and keeping you tense, it also flows smooth, like warm syrup.

Its not just the percussion. It is the whole thing. I love the album but, because of limited funds the guys had to work with what they had just to make an album for the fans. I will say the recording is better than most but, compared to big name companies like Capitol records who have millions of dollars worth of high quality equipment Consumation comes no where close. The band does have big plans for the songs on Consumation. If you have Consumation, good for you. Enjoy it! Just please respect the band and do not share it.

The recording quality is what it is. "Junk" had commented on the musicians.

As for "sharing" the album, I prusume you mean sharing copies, not the audio. That is, I often play the CD for people in my car; and if anybody would like to hear it, I'd be happy to play it for them.

I don't do the upload/download thing.

I see what you mean. Its not really that the musicianship is bad, its just that between the recording quality and the growth in what J expects and the writing of the notes themselves have made the music so much more complicated and stronger since


I like it Wil

I wonder if they will re-record the songs from the consumation, or if they will copy the tracks. I happen to own a copy of the cd (legally), and all of the tracks are great, but all of the members are different except for Loren. Anybody know?

re record or even change stuff im sure, kinda like how cold inside is on both

they re-recorded house of cards which was pretty cool

Heheh. I didn't even know of the Consumation's exsistence until the day before yesterday... >.<; Oh well. I'll wait till Vol. II...

If I said illegally downloading music was bad, I'd be a hypocrite... but I didn't go after any Hurt songs(since I already bought Vol I on CD from Wal-Mart... only thing that sucked was that the jewelry case was cracked...) so... I'm not going to be sued am I?

and it was censored right? lol

You had that too?

I've had three straight cracked cases. wtf?

I'll have to ask Lars Ulrich about that. lol

me thinks someone was a little heavy handed in the ol unpacking area

lol. Actually no. XD Thank God. ^__^


Yeah. But I'll just replace the jewelry case with another one. There's plenty in my house.


lol, I didn't download any Metallica.(honest!) I just mainly download stuff I can't get in stores. >.< Stuff from Japan, Finland, etc. -.-;

Ugh. I showed a friend of mine Rapture and she said she'd go download some songs when she gets home. I tried to explain it to her why I didn't want her to but she kept putting it off with "So?" I got pissed...

So since there was nothing I could do, I just hope there aren't a lot of people with it on limewire...

Hopefully she's one of those people who will download a few more songs, then like them enough to buy the album...or buy tickets tio see them live, then at the show buy a copy of Vol 1, a copy of BlackMarket and five shirts

i dont exactly see why downloading a couple (i did say couple) of songs is so bad....if you want to hear a band, i say do it.....but dont download a whole album.......and if ya like them enough.....buy the album....its what i do....but of coures i had a 3 track sampler from HURT....so of course i bought them opening day

its only like going to a bands myspace nowadays only with better quality.

as long as you eventually buy the cd, i dont see an issue with it so much. Its the people that dont that are causing the problems.

Here in the UK there trying to make it so you can legally have backups of CD's/DVD's, which is cool by me! ive had too many disks become unplayable from scratches so its nice to have that backup until you can replace it

It's such a complicated topic. I mean, on the one hand, so many people I know use downloading a song to hear a band, just like a radio station or website. And, let's face it, few of us are rich enough to just buy every new cd that comes out on the market. But, from the artist standpoint, that's giving away (no matter who does it or how legally) their work for free.

My biggest problem with this issue has been blaming the internet. Like no one ever dubbed a tape or taped off the radio before the internet existed. *rolls eyes*

EXACTLY!

come on! I want to see a raise of hands

who used to sit there when the top 40 was on and try to stop the tape before the dj talked? then rewind it back to make sure you got it?

Hee hee....so bad that "Wonderful Tonight" (my song with my hs bf) will forever have "Watch the Tram Car Please" attached at the end in my mind thanks to a radio contest *lol*